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@ t-t-t-w
2025-03-01 09:39:46
老蛮频道文字:
这一条算是目前对于目前这场外交灾难的回顾里，英文推最火爆的一条。它更倾向于批评泽连斯基，本来距离拿到更多军援只剩五分钟了，最后因为管不住自己的嘴，戏剧性的发生了冲突。
我不支持也不反对这个说法。我只是给大家提供一个欧美世界的视角。
X Richard Hanania
@RichardHanania:
帖子翻译成中文:
我看了泽连斯基的整个新闻发布会。辩论开始前有40分钟的讨论。大多数人最多看了最后十分钟。整个视频提供了正确的背景。
我第一次在没有适当背景的情况下观看这场争吵时，以为特朗普和万斯可能在伏击泽连斯基，甚至试图羞辱他。但事实并非如此。
你们进行了40分钟的平静对话。万斯提出的观点并没有攻击泽连斯基，甚至没有针对他，而泽连斯基显然是发起了争论。
在前40分钟，泽连斯基一直试图超越协议谈判的内容。当特朗普被问到问题时，他总是说“我们拭目以待”。泽连斯基断言不会与普京谈判，俄罗斯将为战争买单。当特朗普说双方都有人死亡是一场悲剧时，泽连斯基插话说俄罗斯人是侵略者。
特朗普则明确表示，美国将继续提供军事援助。泽连斯基只需再冷静几分钟，他们就能签署协议。
争论始于特朗普指出，如果像泽连斯基那样谈论普京，就很难达成协议。万斯插话道，拜登骂普京是合情合理的，但这对我们没有任何帮助。
泽连斯基和特朗普的关系平静而稳定。当万斯发言时，泽连斯基开始质问他。在整个新闻发布会上，每个人都直接向观众提出自己的论点。泽连斯基决定挑战万斯，并向他提出充满敌意的问题。他回到他的观点，即普京从不坚持停火，再次暗示谈判毫无意义。你到底为什么要这样做?然后就是我们都看到的争吵。
泽连斯基距离重获自由只有几分钟了，他本可以从特朗普政府那里得到这笔交易和新的承诺。万斯的观点是针对拜登和媒体的，指责他们发表道德言论。这冒犯了泽连斯基，并由此引发了争论。
到目前为止，我一直是泽连斯基的粉丝，但这件事表明他非常无能，甚至情绪不稳定，我不知道他如何从这件事中恢复过来。与政府的关系已经破裂。乌克兰此时应该换上新的领导人。
帖子原文如下:
I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.
When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was possible that Trump and Vance ambushed Zelensky or were even trying to humiliate him. That's not what happened.
You had 40 minutes of calm conversation. Vance made a point that didn't attack Zelensky and wasn't even addressed to him, and Zelensky clearly started the argument.
In the first 40 minutes, Zelensky kept trying to go beyond what was negotiated in the deal. When Trump was asked a question, it was always "we'll see." Zelensky made blanket assertions that there would be no negotiating with Putin, and that Russia would pay for the war. When Trump said that it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky interjected that the Russians were the invaders.
For his part, Trump made clear that the US would continue delivering military aid. All Zelensky had to do was remain calm for a few more minutes and they would've signed a deal.
The argument started when Trump pointed out that it would be hard to make a deal if you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. Vance interjects to make the reasonable point that Biden called Putin names and that didn't get us anywhere.
The Zelensky/Trump dynamic was calm and stable. It was when Vance spoke that Zelensky started to interrogate him. Throughout the press conference to that point, everyone was making their arguments directly to the audience. Zelensky decided to challenge Vance and ask him hostile questions. He went back to his point that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, once again implying that negotiations are pointless. Why on earth would you do this? Then came the fight we all saw.
Zelensky was minutes away from being home free, and he would have had the deal and new commitments from the Trump administration. The point Vance made was directed against Biden and the media, taking them to task for speaking in moralistic terms. This offended Zelensky, and that began the argument.
I've been a fan of Zelensky up to this point, but this showed so much incompetence, if not emotional instability, that I don't see how he recovers from this. The relationship with the administration is broken. Ukraine should probably go with new leadership at this point.