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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-15 02:19:08
I try and get attacked for it. Just gonna give up. Seems like the number of people who care about this is dwindling by the day anyways.
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@ 9da75b1f:0f24dc6d
2025-01-15 02:18:09
Shilled as easy onboarding for adoption. It’s almost fiat. Path of least resistance. Most people do not consider the sacrifice made for convenience. This has been clearly demonstrated over last 15-20 years unfortunately
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-15 02:13:07
I talked to miljan last week and he said hes aware of the concerns. I suggested a degraded experience when the caching relay is down and still let people read from their relays. I think they will need to do it for a good experience unless they can scale their relay somehow and make it more redundant.
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@ 67ada8e3:16052171
2025-01-15 02:11:28
I have never lost a canary in any of my coal mines.
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@ 3492dd43:1af4ffdd
2025-01-15 02:11:07
it’s weird there is less fucks given about this issue. I suspect most [users] don’t actually grok the potential reality and the reason why the primal model i so suboptimal.
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@ 9a0e2043:323c0e3c
2025-01-15 02:10:50
Primal is the canary in the coal mine. It’s good to call them out as the example. And the app sucks. At least on iOS.
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-15 02:06:44
People think im doing this to shit on primal all the time. Im so tired of this fight and its not my point. Im thinking about what would happen if certain ways of doing things took off and how it might affect the network. My beef is not with primal specifically, the point is the next big VC funded app with 100 devs could do this and it would amplify the badness by a lot
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-15 02:04:29
You can do that but it wouldn’t be very efficient and you would get fewer results, and wouldn’t scale. They will have to do it on their relay if they aren’t already. We can do it locally but there is no corresponding remote REQ we can execute to get the data. Maybe just negentropy syncing all the zaps for the day would work well enough for a little while.
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@ 9cb3545c:2ff47bca
2025-01-15 02:00:10
Oh you mean you can’t send a REQ with this level of detail.
i thought they were pulling what they can pull at the level the relay can understand from a REQ and then applying the filter on client side.
or at least everyone else can do that. I thought that’s the idea of having a local relay and a DB. You can cut slice and filter as your please, no?
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@ 9a0e2043:323c0e3c
2025-01-15 01:59:32
I’m a Damus Maxi.
Tried Primal. Didn’t like Primal. So fuck Primal.
Keep it simple. Damus & Wallet of Satoshi = happier better life.
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-15 01:56:54
It filters based on min zaps, excluded words, and things like that, you can’t really do that without a custom relay as relays aren’t really supposed to know about zaps.
nip50 was nice because it standardizes fulltext search, so i could make damus local search compatible with relays. I can’t really do min zap advanced search “properly” without a relay nip, but i can hack it with nostrdb at least, and just try to pull down as much data as possible.
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@ d70d5009:1ed4acee
2025-01-15 01:54:16
It's so insane to me that an primal has users. They were requested to implement amber 1 year ago and still haven't, meanwhile 75% of new android apps implement within the first month of release.
Are you thinking that they have a DB that is storing as much notes as possible for search or what?
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@ 79998141:0f8f1901
2025-01-15 01:53:59
Disagree. Incentives in a commoditized open source market encourage cooperation/interoperability due to everyone desiring network effects from each other. Siloing is stupid for VCs.
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@ 9cb3545c:2ff47bca
2025-01-15 01:53:57
The primal advance search is not just a filter?
Or is a filter something we can’t do right now?
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@ dab9562a:ba18162e
2025-01-15 01:50:54
all the best all*/
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-15 01:50:30
I’m just adding local nip50 search support to damus clients, but this looks like a toy when compared to primals advanced search which you can’t really do on the protocol at the moment. So when i launch it people are going to be like “lame, we already had this on primal”. So unless I do something proprietary or spend the next 6 months trying to get advanced search into the protocol, then proprietary clients will always win.
My only conclusion is that clients will start competing with each other using off-spec advanced features, which means that you won’t be able to build a pure client anymore. Then nostr fails.
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@ dab9562a:ba18162e
2025-01-15 01:46:23
shiny fades fast ime & all the best guys*/ i applaud U for a lot of this space so far-T Y
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@ 7cc328a0:2a247c0e
2025-01-15 01:46:22
damus+notedb+outbox retrofit will tip the scales to outbox. im here for it! 🌝moon
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@ d70d5009:1ed4acee
2025-01-15 01:45:36
Where is this happening now?
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@ 7cc328a0:2a247c0e
2025-01-15 01:39:10
my time preference throttle is like an ipod circle dial
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-15 01:33:07
can’t wait to ship outbox in notedeck this month! had to spend a year building the tech to support it but will be worth it.
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@ 7cc328a0:2a247c0e
2025-01-15 01:31:33
i will refer you to my late night ramblings on this subject 😂
nostr:nevent1qqs2xu9ttu68mz0sfz6fwkrcdngl4kl9y0sperjjgs4v4clk9eqmr5gprpmhxue69uhhqunfd46hxtnwdaehgu339e3k7mf0qgs8eseg5zxak2hal8umuaa7laxgxjyll9uhyxp86c522shn9gj8crsrqsqqqqqpt27cxy
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-15 01:06:11
Why would devs do the hard thing and pour their effort into getting something working at the protocol level thats already available by some popular proprietary nostr app? Especially when they have the majority of the users and they are happy with the solution.
The very few people doing protocol dev will stop doing it. Users will be like: wow you got something working in a janky way which we've already had two years ago on NostrGram, who cares. It's becoming not very rewarding work.
You could have easily built zaps in a way that worked only on one app and all the users used that app because its an awesome feature. Building zaps was non-trivial and required lots of work between many different parties. It's sad we're moving away from this way of building things.
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@ 322905e2:a1d92c2e
2025-01-15 00:48:57
Dark thought
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@ 61cb31a8:db24bb15
2025-01-15 00:48:12
Surely you are right to be focused on this at this time. What it makes me think of though, is zooming out for the perspective that the most important principles are more popular right now than ever before. Open source and sound money. Individual liberty and family localism. I believe that is because there are those who stay humble and stack sats as you do.
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@ b90c3cb7:1be67823
2025-01-15 00:39:58
Is this a more serious risk if clients with traction stop writing events to outside (as opposed to reading events from outside)? I see that on the read side this introduces risks like seeing content that is out of date, or in the worst case purposefully altered.
Or is it that the read side alone comes with its own potential implications?
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-15 00:29:03
outbox is for clients who connect to relays, im talking about clients that don’t even talk to relays, which happens to be the most popular client at the moment, and probably most clients in the future if this model wins.
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@ b90c3cb7:1be67823
2025-01-15 00:26:22
I'm curious about that too—specifically does outbox make sense in a fully-cached context? As I understand outbox is for selecting the right relays for the right people, but in a fully-cached context the "right relay" is only ever your cache service. Or is it maybe that outbox can be used to more efficiently fill the cache? Or would you even care about efficiency if your pretty much indexing everything anyway?
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-15 00:18:12
agree
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@ e771af0b:8e8ed66f
2025-01-14 23:53:14
Build out interoperable solutions, reject proprietary solutions entirely.
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@ 3b7550d5:aa34878f
2025-01-14 23:27:34
Maybe it’s a funnel thing, like Bitcoin itself? My hope is that in time and with understanding people will migrate from the shiny to the ethically sound, principled clients that share their values and better defend the decentralised vision of the movement. But the hard path will always be harder 🫂
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@ a723805c:0342dc9c
2025-01-14 23:15:08
The Proprietary Nostr Relay Wars 🫡
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@ c230edd3:8ad4a712
2025-01-14 23:11:54
I've started noticing a lot of notes missing from my follow feed in recent weeks. I see them when I visit a profile but they never make it to my feed. I suspect that is related. I don't know a damn thing about programming but I'm pretty okay at pattern recognition.
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@ 7bdef7be:784a5805
2025-01-14 23:11:35
I think the solution is twofold: improve the relay API, also implementing HyperLogLog suggested by nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6, and promote more creative client-side business logics, with custom storage layers that can be used to optimize data aggregation and filtering.
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@ 762a3c15:622ecd60
2025-01-14 23:07:56
😔
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@ 9cb3545c:2ff47bca
2025-01-14 23:05:29
All devs are guilty of creating off-protocol implementations.
But we should leave non-nip approved implementation in beta software.
Because at this stage Twitter can claim they are running nostr now (with their current implementation).
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@ 7cc328a0:2a247c0e
2025-01-14 23:01:33
outbox fixes dis. or does it? we wont know till 2/3 the network using it..
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-14 22:51:57
Prediction: to compete with proprietary nostr relays, others will have to build their own proprietary apis to deliver similar value. People will stop caring about interoperability and nostr just becomes isolated twitter-like islands just like before. Most clients then become light clients for these proprietary relays, and users lose control over which relays they can choose to talk to.
This is starting to happen today, how do we prevent this? VCs and people trying to make money won’t care about the hard work of protocol dev and interoperability, in fact, its in their interest to explicitly make it harder for other clients to have similar functionality via protocol improvements.
nostr could go down a very bad path very soon. Which way do you choose anon? Give up on the protocol for shiny new features? Or support less featured clients focused on interoperability? I suspect most will choose the former 😔
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@ 7bdef7be:784a5805
2025-01-14 22:51:03
Some ideas:
- Counter for replies in the root note
- Reactions / Zaps in the inbox notification (with filters/aggretagion)
- Zoom images to full screen without opening the browser
- Drafts
- Login via (multi-signatire) bunker
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@ c3caba20:f80e20f2
2025-01-14 22:41:46
Keyboard-only friendy navigation.
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@ e07773a9:4a98108a
2025-01-14 22:27:25
🤣🤣🤣
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@ 68d81165:65ec4272
2025-01-14 22:25:05
Would be nice to have negentropy support in chorus.
If it helps, here's how I implemented it for nostr-relay-builder: https://github.com/rust-nostr/nostr/blob/25a76ff3d90ea4307dd1078ccc2b910619571971/crates/nostr-relay-builder/src/local/inner.rs#L614
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@ cfe3b431:2d068f8d
2025-01-14 22:13:41
Very quick tag of over a thousand people, then I will use it 🫡
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@ ee11a5df:b76c4e49
2025-01-14 22:12:37
What feature should I add to Gossip (or Chorus) next?
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-14 21:14:05
This already runs on damus ios. Its designed for battery, efficiency, and storage in mind.
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@ 4720beb1:fde5de50
2025-01-14 21:09:55
Can this run efficiently on a smartphone? Thinking in storage & battery?
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@ 910e79f1:ebc3a628
2025-01-14 20:28:17
Alice...Aliki Vougiouklaki for Your eyes only.... https://m.primal.net/NgiW.jpg
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@ 910e79f1:ebc3a628
2025-01-14 20:19:08
picture title:Travel timelines to secret portals :
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@ 910e79f1:ebc3a628
2025-01-14 20:14:32
Love became worst than a tragedy
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@ 910e79f1:ebc3a628
2025-01-14 20:13:10
Love has lost itself to apathy
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@ 910e79f1:ebc3a628
2025-01-14 20:11:32
yet i yearn to reach a heart to walk with him in this cruel world
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@ 910e79f1:ebc3a628
2025-01-14 20:09:24
people are made of money
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@ 910e79f1:ebc3a628
2025-01-14 20:07:31
i Sink myself in an ocean of goodbyes
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@ 910e79f1:ebc3a628
2025-01-14 20:06:10
I search in vain for a kind shoulder someone to reach out and hold..
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@ 910e79f1:ebc3a628
2025-01-14 19:59:33
Man in black from San Francisco.....searching for the handsome knight ,who knows...maybe tonight's the night..
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@ 910e79f1:ebc3a628
2025-01-14 19:56:46
A wild ocean a living breathing entityforever in motion..
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@ 910e79f1:ebc3a628
2025-01-14 19:51:27
Moments and memory traces,,An empty armchair taunting love's lost
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@ 2e1b0646:3eca0c6f
2025-01-14 19:51:08
Correct, that's the gross amount. To get net you need to deduct the transaction fee. Jokes aside, point taken, I'll stop pumping your posts. Best of luck with Notedeck etc.
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-14 19:41:14
gross
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@ 2e1b0646:3eca0c6f
2025-01-14 19:40:10
Pumped with 3422 sats BCH, see https://pump.coinmachin.es/ (bitcoincash:qraaqeypldwlcuz4eg0p5eh65fkgfcpv4ckur80f2f).
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@ 5e9dccf5:36c7fee1
2025-01-14 19:40:10
Pump statistics: 3422 sats BCH from 1 pumpers. See https://pump.coinmachin.es/ for more info.
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-14 19:34:51
🫡
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@ 4bc7982c:4cb5c39d
2025-01-14 19:30:38
Thank you for writing this in C so it's a snap to use with lisp cffi.
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@ 32e18276:5c68e245
2025-01-14 19:16:33
picture of nostrdb nip50 fulltext search support in action. search for words or phrases, with additional filtering on author, kind, etc.
Heres an example of me querying everytime i’ve said “damus mail” on my local notedeck db using the nostrdb commandline tool. Next step is building a ui for this in notedeck and damus iOS.
https://cdn.jb55.com/s/7fb82ecdc5148f46.png
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@ 965df294:f944a76f
2025-01-14 16:20:41
This is excellent!
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@ 2248fe05:73582fdb
2025-01-14 16:04:09
I love this!
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@ cccfccb0:5718521c
2025-01-14 15:11:18
🎨🖼️🅱️
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@ 51675d47:3fceeefb
2025-01-14 14:46:26
This app is awesome. This art is awesome.
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@ cccfccb0:5718521c
2025-01-14 13:52:56
Nothin’ to see ’ere
2024
Oil on linen
80 x 60 inches
https://m.primal.net/Nbui.jpg
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@ 7bdef7be:784a5805
2025-01-14 09:29:52
Welcome to Nostr Miel!
Trilled to know more about your ancestral practices related to nature.
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@ 7bdef7be:784a5805
2025-01-14 09:25:48
Prudently... 😅
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@ 2b838341:d435dfac
2025-01-14 08:48:27
Welcome to the nostr Miel 🫂
Good to have you around
pv 🤙
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@ 3cc002c1:5919d23b
2025-01-14 08:29:38
Welcome 🤠🤙
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@ 3cfa816b:545fa2d9
2025-01-14 08:15:23
Well, well, well ...
https://boards.4chan.org/biz/thread/59590548
https://m.primal.net/NftG.png
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@ a530f7f7:eb820644
2025-01-14 07:58:24
Positive thoughts manifest positive things
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@ da25cf7b:1fd53c1f
2025-01-14 07:50:12
Welcome 🙏
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@ 7bdef7be:784a5805
2025-01-14 07:31:04
nostr:nevent1qqsf7fah5ahyvuf79ukl2yn7m323fw9t8mt4sjer92542t6nfhu2mdcprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hsygrmmmmmugka3evlgcqwq3922wsul966nhrayl04svauwldhsjjcq5psgqqqqqqsfpq2mc
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@ 7bdef7be:784a5805
2025-01-14 07:30:36
Yes, as soon as I add the management area to invalidate bunkers, existing npubs will also be able to create their own bunker.
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@ 7bdef7be:784a5805
2025-01-14 07:28:19
Yes, many people suggested this, I think I will replace the KYC part.
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@ 4f44ff62:516ae4ca
2025-01-14 07:08:03
Welcome! Here's a good starting place to get caught up 👇
nostr:nevent1qqsdhmu9sazj5u5p87s5j0pc20u7rthqxqhjclhsmxsk8f9645mfvwcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygqqrzm7uvlmy5uyxcuuvt3f9lk8qznf4yas3m3hf3da49cunvu4vspsgqqqqqqsakf2h8
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@ e07bfc04:b2b651ed
2025-01-14 06:29:22
The future is here
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@ 0575bf03:62a2b879
2025-01-14 06:27:28
welcome
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@ 1e31e4ea:5a530b36
2025-01-14 06:04:30
How do I create multi sig bunker for current (this) nsec?
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@ a69daa14:18a0bf3b
2025-01-14 04:30:45
just came to comments to ask this too 😊
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@ 6d5f85c4:a3f7e400
2025-01-14 03:22:38
Welcome
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@ 04222fa1:634e9de5
2025-01-14 02:16:51
will there be an option in the future for existing npubs to use this to create multisig keys 🔑
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@ 4613d320:6fddf62a
2025-01-14 02:05:27
Sup Mushroom girl!
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@ 77313c52:1427ef53
2025-01-14 02:04:59
Cringe
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@ 5a8e581f:c150c8ba
2025-01-14 01:55:08
I'd say "no identity documents or phone number required" instead of No KYC
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@ 9fa716c2:c7e66903
2025-01-14 01:53:17
Welcome to Nostr! ⚡️⚡️⚡️
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@ 30ceb64e:7f08bdf5
2025-01-14 01:50:48
Tried it. It works really well.
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@ 61066504:6f8715e9
2025-01-14 01:48:44
this looks like a game changer nostr:note1qqqrulwlqd8rh7866pkyeg0gkt6rjlfgufy4eckqpp5p25yy6s3sc4y0lm
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@ 79f866aa:fcf29976
2025-01-14 01:48:00
welcome nostr
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@ fd0bcf8c:521f98c0
2025-01-14 01:46:40
Really solid. The copy is a little lengthy. Hard to read. Might put off new comers.
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@ 6e468422:15deee93
2025-01-14 01:32:25
Welcome! 🫂
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@ a9f8b3f2:65181647
2025-01-14 01:05:15
hola
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@ 374fd6f9:a004f1c8
2025-01-13 23:48:03
Welcome!
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@ 35f3a26c:92ddf231
2025-01-13 22:52:41
Welcome to #Nostr !
https://image.nostr.build/e0206a2731377fd7abdbed70b0aff7f04b350ac5022f73eb4e2b096223c5b575.gif
Suggestion to find whom to follow:
Follow topics using hastags, click on this hashtag: #_rockclimbing, and you will have the option to follow it if using the right mobile or web browser client. A good one to follow is #_introductions and #_askNostr (remove the space after the hastag, I added a space to avoid spamming the community)
Suggestion for Nostr Clients:
Exclusive for Android:
nostr:nprofile1qqs24yz8xftq8kkdf7q5yzf4v7tn2ek78v0zp2y427mj3sa7f34ggjccd5eyg is an excellent choice, feature rich, supports privacy, tiktok like feeds, multi user, supports #Amber (more security), #TOR, private chats, excellent look and feel, it is ahead of most clients by far.
Working for Android and iOS:
nostr:nprofile1qqs9ajjs5p904ml92evlkayppdpx2n3zdrq6ejnw2wqphxrzmd62swspzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuvrcvd5xzapwvdhk6qgdwaehxw309aukzcn49ekk2qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8x6tpd4ehgu3wvdhk6ynf30t is a good alternative, more like Telegram, including chat groups, channels and voice and video calls, all encrypted e2e. It is powerful with privacy as well, it has secret chats and it supports Amber, #TOR in the settings "Use SOCKS proxy" (just install Orbot and in the settings be sure it allows background starts you don't need to have it running as VPN). It has a wallet built in and interesting features of its own.
Exclusive for iOS:
nostr:nprofile1qqsraldwhvwcjgltmxwfu7kw8dqef2692yhzheuurd7k3kfy8cxjdqg9cvnm5 (users talk positive about this client,
give it a try)
Suggestion for Wallets:
Depends on your technical level and how much time are you willing to spend understanding and setting them up:
1. The impatient with no time to waste and who doesn't care to use custodial wallets:
Go for Wallet of Satoshi (https://www.walletofsatoshi.com/), add it to your profile, it doesn't have the NWC (network wallet connect) setup, but you really don't need it. When you try to zap someone, the wallet will open and the invoice will load, easy and setup free. You are set. (they don't work in USA, unless you use a VPN)
You may try as well https://coinos.io nostr:nprofile1qqst4qyeqenw7zm0fwjsty68h6cnys5jre2xd8ngqpjv5a2j26s78fspzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucm0d9hx7uewd9hj75a0pev , rich with features and web based, you can receive emails every time you are zapped too. Very cool wallet, the dev team rocks, they are doing the good work creating more Bitcoin awareness and helping businesses to accept it. It does support ecash and recently started to support #Bolt12, just missing #Amber support to be my favorite (it would make it optional to be non custodial)
2. The curious one with not much technical expertise but eager to learn:
You have few options here to play that are interesting:
2.1. nostr:nprofile1qqstxwlea9ah3u6kjjszu6a7lrnhqkfh8eptp2z6v0e9558tlkkl2rgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsz9mhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wshszxnhwden5te0wfjkccte9ekkjmnfvf5hguewvdshx6p07xr4s5 (mobile app, you can buy from them your own address like yourname@minibits.cash BOLT11), the app is well polished, user friendly and the devs are hands on, responsive and active in the #Nostr community.
2.2. nostr:nprofile1qqst4qyeqenw7zm0fwjsty68h6cnys5jre2xd8ngqpjv5a2j26s78fspzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucm0d9hx7uewd9hj75a0pev , they support #eCash, #Bolt11 and #Bolt12, so you can play here, just beware, you are signing with your own nsec, so for testing, make a new account and play around, that until they support Amber or a similar way to sign in, can't wait.
Two good options to play and learn, all support #Cashu and #LN⚡, start learning about #Cashu, IMO a game changer for small payments. Sovereign app offers novelty features I consider a must have, wait until you learn about CLANs and the way sovereign does the recoveries, mind blowing...
3. The tech savvy
3.1 GetAlby running AlbyHub (a bit pricey unless you do all yourself, not my cup of tea, but people in the community loves them)
3.2 npub.cash - get your npub followed by @npub.cash and use it as your wallet address to receive anonymous private #LN payments and #cashu payments. You can pay in the wallet web site for a custom address as well (cool)
3.3 nuts.cash - same as above, just not an option to buy an address, meaning no #Bolt11 support
Check my nostr site:
https://rod.npub.pro
You can get your own, give it a try, start writing!
Subscribe to my free substack content:
https://rodsx.substack.com
Last but not least:
https://video.nostr.build/c15a8f80b0ee38024f680e5dc080c07163798f5dcf622d5dc0429a3bd9eb0ffb.mp4
Enjoy Nostr!
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@ e8fa143b:0a2cd4ce
2025-01-13 22:49:32
Pura Vida 🍯
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